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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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episode number 729 for the 25th of

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September 2022 Richardson is coming to

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you from Sydney Australia which is still

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here apparently there's been something

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going around the into tubes

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the interwebs over the past week or two

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saying that doomsday would be September

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the 24th

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was yesterday here in Australia there

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was an okay sort of day I had a little

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bit of work on uh nothing special

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happened didn't notice any doomsday

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happening around me but mind you

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sometimes I don't notice these things

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and today is the 25th and um

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well it is a bit cloudy out the window

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maybe that's that's what's going on

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but this just goes to remind us all that

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yes every year there's some sort of

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Doomsday prediction going on and every

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year

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somehow it fails to materialize but what

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is materializing on the skeptic Zone

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this week is an education special

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pseudoscience and education with Adrian

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Hill you can count on Adrian Adrian

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talks to Kelly Burke in the United

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States and our very own other reporter

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Michelle big Asma in Melbourne and they

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discuss pseudoscience in education from

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the perspectives of Canada the United

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States and Australia this is an edited

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touching on a few of the topics they

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cover in the full recording but you can

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hear the unedited version by going to

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the skeptic Zone YouTube page or

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clicking on the link in this week's show

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notes

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and to give you an idea of some of the

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topics covered in the full conversation

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left brain right brain myths teacher

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and time management high impact teaching

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strategies myths about homework

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so once again all you have to do is go

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to this week's show notes and click on

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the YouTube link

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and you'll discover that full

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conversation but today in the show the

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edited highlights then we dive back into

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the Trove archives and look up a psychic

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who visited Australia decades ago and

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didn't have a happy time at all cabrina

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Kincaid did she help find missing

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persons for the police

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newsletter read once again by Adrian

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about the 1990s in Australian music

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a big shout out to all those people at

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the moment on leave talking about

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teachers some of the teachers around the

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country are having a bit of time off at

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you can count on Adrian

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hello everyone this is Adrian Hill from

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Calgary Canada here to talk about

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pseudoscience in education this

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conversation was sparked by a Globe and

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hello everyone welcome back to an

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bickersma and she is from Melbourne

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Australia we have an international

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brain left brain myth and the reason I

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convincing and that then later on when I

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students it can make students put

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fulfill yeah exactly so there's another

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perpetuated in education but I think

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development you get as a teacher is just

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from Consultants now they're peddling

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we be learning whole words on site well

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fixed mindset which is the current Buzz

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thing are you getting that Cali yep yeah

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I'm out of the education system so I

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wouldn't know it's it's the hot hot one

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at the moment

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as soon as I heard it I just shuddered

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and I thought oh no here comes another

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Guru

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um growth mindset versus fixed mindset

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is just creeping into everything in fact

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we are changing textbooks and Humanities

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and it was in the textbook in the

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teacher's book and I thought oh no this

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is just becoming gospel as things do

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whereas it's actually unproven it comes

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down to one person in the US and their

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theory that they've promoted heavily

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it's not evidence-based it's definitely

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not set of science but schools are

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taking it up at an alarming rate and we

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have to teach it in our end of year

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program for um well-being now and yeah

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very uncomfortable with it I always put

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the disclaimer in so excuse that this is

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not settled science you might find some

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of these useful as ticks but I refuse to

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say that it's categorically a thing so

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what exactly is growth mindset versus

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fixed mindset yeah well growth if you

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have a growth mindset apparently you

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believe you can do things

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sounds like the power of positive

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thinking

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and if you have a I fixed mindset you

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believe that your abilities are fixed

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and that you can't improve sounds like

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learning styles it's like it it's not

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about the need to practice and like I

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think it's generally accepted by

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everyone that you practice a skill to

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get better at it I don't even think we

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need studies to show you that and that

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if you don't give something a go of

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course you can't really know until

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you've tried a lot of things and of

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course you should try and you should

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persist for a while and you should show

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resilience but this whole thing that if

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you have this mindset you will succeed

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and if you don't you won't so you better

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break out of that one

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just puts too much to me it's again it's

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the false dichotomy you know we all

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believe we can do some things well and

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others not well we all believe that we

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all also believe that we can improve

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with practice but I also believe we know

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our limits without being told no no

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that's just a fixed mindset that you

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need to overcome and I think it's not

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really fair to burden that because

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students like accusing them blaming the

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victims yeah it's accusing them of their

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mindset holding them back instead of

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focusing on the skills that they need

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you know it's very Law of Attraction

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yeah so if you fail it's your fault

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because you didn't have the right

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mindset yeah very toxic positivity like

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you just need to say I can do it all the

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time yeah so it bothers me that it's

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presented as a dichotomy even though

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that could never be and of course that's

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taking it to its extremes but still it

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just it makes me uncomfortable to even

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talk about it as a dichotomy and I I

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think it does actually while all the

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intentions are wonderful as you know

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positive is it can have some detrimental

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aspects I personally believe and worst

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of all it has no evidence

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first thing I did was look it up what's

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the evidence fixed mindset and growth

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mindset and there is none haven't been

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studies if someone's personal

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observation it's a guru thing again and

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their personal observations they haven't

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been studies there's nothing to back it

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up and yet it's been promoted now in

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swans and I think a lot of that a lot of

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the pseudoscience we've talked about in

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general goes to like this

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idea of what feels right that that feels

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like a really good idea and that feels

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like what we should be doing oh learning

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styles I feel like I learn better from

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this and once it feels right we use our

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motivated reasoning to to justify it or

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we can find a few studies and cherry

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pick things that justify it I think also

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people might look at us talking about

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how these things are not backed by

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evidence as us completely bashing it and

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saying there's no value in it and that

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it's absolutely horrible we're not

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saying that it's horrible but we're

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saying that we want to do things that

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are backed by evidence and when

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something claims to be backed by

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evidence and it's not it's really hard

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to know how we should be approaching

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things

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I I think that's just kind of how

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Skeptics are viewed in general is like

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as the negatron who's bashing everything

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and that's not the intention the

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intention is I want to find the things

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that I should be doing but there's just

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mountains and mountains of woo around

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all of this and it makes it really hard

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to find out what the science actually

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says yeah exactly I've got a nice silly

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one to end off with and this is one that

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I probably hear more than anything else

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constantly and I wonder if it's as

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prevalent with you guys as well but

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whenever there's any particularly Rowdy

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student days or things like that it is

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constantly blamed on the full moon I

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thought you were going to say sugar

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oh that is a whole other story that we

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could get into but no I can't believe

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how prevalent that myth is that the full

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moon makes kids more hyper or misbehave

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more or things like that but it'll be to

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the point where I'll have teacher

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friends post like oh full Moon's coming

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up teachers get ready or even somebody

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who posted something along the lines of

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if you don't believe that the full moon

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causes kids to be more rambunctious you

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must not be a teacher and I'm not ready

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to start a fight over that or anything

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but like usually I just nod and smile

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but then I turn away and roll my eyes

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because I can't believe that that myth

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is still going around that is so funny

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maybe because I was always in a science

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department I don't recall ever anyone

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saying that to me even from Humanities

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or anyone so no I have never had fellow

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teachers use that one the sugar one yeah

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yes oh my goodness yes I guess you say

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that's a whole other topic

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and Michelle what about you with the

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moon I was gonna I was gonna say I've

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assumed they were joking

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do you mean it jokingly but I actually

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had somebody try to start a fight with

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me over it once I think a lot of people

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do mean it jokingly but then that

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perpetuates it and it snowballs at night

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have seen many people mean it very

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genuinely

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wow are they probably you know this is

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an assumption maybe they believe in

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astrology as well I mean there's that

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whole impact right of the Stars the moon

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I once heard someone say that while the

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moon affects the tides so clearly the

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moon has an effect on Earth so why

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wouldn't it affect people's behaviors

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the size of the Moon that you see in the

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sky doesn't mean the moon's changing

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sizes or anything like a full moon does

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not mean that there's more Moon there

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and I know that's not what they believe

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but like oh

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that's an awesome one to finish with

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Kelly

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and maybe next time we'll get together

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and talk about the sugar one too

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yes oh boy

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I want to give a big thank you to Kelly

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Burke and Michelle bickersma for joining

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me over multiple time zones to talk

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about pseudoscience and education

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remember what you just heard was the

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edited version of our conversation only

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touching on a few of the many topics we

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covered in the full recording but you

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can hear the unedited version by going

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to the skeptic Zone YouTube page or by

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clicking on the link in this week's show

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notes I also ask you to tell any

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teachers you might know about this

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conversation but until next time this

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has been Adrienne Hill

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Convention skepticon 2022 will be held

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now it's time to go once again into

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those digital archives at Trove and

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other resources

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typically a trove at

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trove.nla.gov.eu online newspapers and

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magazines and so on this week we are

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looking

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at something which is typically not in

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Trove it's a newspaper here in Sydney

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called the Sydney Morning Herald and

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indeed for this story I did the research

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online but I then took the trip Into the

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Heart of Sydney to the State Library

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here in uh in Macquarie Street

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very famous building and went to the

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microfilm and was able to find more

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about the story this week

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and the story this week comes from the

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Year 1980 on the 16th of March

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and the title is psychic Beauty's

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crystal ball

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cloudy and as we'll hear this story

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involves a certain person claiming

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psychic ability coming to Australia

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before we read the article let's look at

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who this person is cabrina Kincaid and

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our first result just doing a Google

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search brings up an Internet Movie

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Database reference to kabrina Kincaid

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actress

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and her list of credits here known for

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blood orgy of the she devils and then

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Powers the Mike Douglas show

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that's about it that's about it unknown

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Powers what's this I think I have a copy

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of this unknown powers

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you have them too

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I thought so yes I happen to have and I

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don't know when I got this the DVD UFO

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TV special edition unknown Powers you

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have them too exclamation mark

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and I'm not exactly sure when this dates

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from the DVD release

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new science ideas it says unknown Powers

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this amazing fact-filled feature length

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program is the most comprehensive

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exploration of paranormal phenomena ever

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attempted on film oh that's a link

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statement

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examine inauthentic graphic detail ESP

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astrology telepathy psychokinesis

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Pyramid Power Faith healing

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mesmerizations

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ectoplasms and even life after death

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explore the fascinating men and women of

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today whose extraordinary powers and

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strange gifts can

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quotation marks are challenging the

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dogmas of modern science include

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stunning extra sensory evidence they can

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no longer be denied epic proof of

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spectacular human potential and amazing

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demonstrations of Life Force energy that

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defies scientific explanation along with

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an unprecedented collection of

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interviews with researchers eyewitnesses

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experiences from the best known most

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credible paranormal authorities in the

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world today

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however this documentary

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is strange it doesn't actually

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say when the original one was produced

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but it's Circa

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and here is a brief clip from this uh

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documentary featuring

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in the first year and a half I've Been

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instrumental in helping the police solve

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six murders and I've actually found 24

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missing children I work with the Los

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Angeles District Attorney's office and

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all the different District Attorneys

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throughout the United States Canada and

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even Europe and they've been very uh

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very good about working with me most

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people would think that it would be

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kooky to work with the psychic but we

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have a very intelligent belief Force now

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and I think that they're finally

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accepting psychics as a science and this

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is something that I think will be more

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accepted as time goes on because I think

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people are beginning to realize that

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there's more to this world than what you

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can just see feel taste and touch and

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they want all the help they can get and

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fortunately I've been able to prove

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myself because every murder that I've

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ever worked on I've solved and every

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child I've ever looked for I've found

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now a little bit of a hunt around the

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internet I found some archived TV at

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commercials here's one from

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1992 and it looks to be for a dialer

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psychic service

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the future does not have to remain

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unknown no other person today has

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predicted the fortunes of the world's

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Elite more accurately than cabrina

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Kincaid the world's most accurate and

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documented psychic cabrina can take the

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original psychics of the Stars advisor

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to Kings and presidents cabrina Kincaid

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acclaimed the world over for solving

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hundreds of murders and missing persons

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cases cabrina Kincaid the most important

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psychic in the world today I believe to

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knowest to averge I don't just see the

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future I change it I believe it's the

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energy that comes through a telephone is

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even more important than being in a room

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with a client almost all the missing

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person cases that I've stopped have been

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over the phone and my psychic said his

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abilities too let them help you with

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love success money nothing is too

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personal please call now call cabrina's

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[Music]

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so some very far-fetched claims made way

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back there in

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1994. another return looking up uh

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cabrina Kincaid has led me to a website

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trivia library.com psychic predictions

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of cabrina Kincaid

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and it's an interesting article which I

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think judging by this page was written

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in 1981 and I won't cover all her

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predictions but some listed here future

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predictions for

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1979-2000 so maybe this was written in

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the late 70s so cabrina Kincaid

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predicted for those two decades before

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the turn of the century by the year 2000

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there will be a one world dollar

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I guess you could argue

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and it's drawing a very long bow the

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American dollar is

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um is widely accepted but it certainly

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can't be regarded as a one world dollar

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her next prediction is the UN would be

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abolished

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psychics will be used for Espionage they

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will also be accepted as expert

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Witnesses in courtrooms uh recently

662
00:29:41,930 --> 00:29:39,960
there was a psychic in the witness box

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in a court case here in Australia not so

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long ago however that notwithstanding

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psychics are not

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uh really accepted as expert Witnesses

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solar cars will be perfected and

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affordable to the masses nope racial

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Strife will trigger Mass riots Across

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the Nation and this will force martial

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law to be declared apart from the the

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predictable unrest now and then I don't

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think in the Years 1979 to 2000 that was

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really really happening and certainly

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martial law was not declared

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it will be determined that cancer is a

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virus and a vaccine will be found to

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cure it

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if only no that didn't happen

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contact will be made with the UFO and we

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will have joint space travel with Russia

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to Saturn and Mars I don't think cabrina

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understands exactly how far Saturn is

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away it's a very long way

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we will discover dozens of life-bearing

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planets outside our solar system major

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earthquakes will change the Earth's

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surface creating new islands in the

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Pacific Ocean

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remnants of Atlantis will be found

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providing answers to a number of

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questions which have baffled scientists

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for centuries the Bermuda Triangle will

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prove to be the center of UFO activity

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00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:03,299
the use of oil and gas will be outlawed

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owing to air pollution gas masks will be

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necessary in major cities

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transplants such as arms and legs will

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become the norm bringing new life to the

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handicapped

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well

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that technology is advancing

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however we are still confining ourselves

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to the predictions made from 1979 to

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2000 cures will be found for cerebral

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palsy and muscular dystrophy

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cigarettes will be banned sterilization

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will become mandatory for families who

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have had two children

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well it's a pretty bizarre list of

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00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,659
far-fetched predictions made there

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and on this page there are other

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predictions listed for earlier which

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were proved to be incorrect as well so

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she has a

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an appalling track record there when it

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comes to predictions now I couldn't find

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anything about her recently and I think

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the last entry on her Facebook page

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dates back from 2013

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nevertheless let's go back to the Year

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1980 to that newspaper article and

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discover

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why the Sydney Morning Herald would be

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[Music]

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psychic Beauty's crystal ball cloudy

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Hollywood psychic cabrina Kincaid home

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after a horrible trip to Australia vowed

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yesterday quote I shall never go back

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again I didn't know such people existed

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end quote

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and this is a story by Chris Reed and

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Bill Mello

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she was brought to Australia for a week

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by Sydney's Channel 10 minutes the TV

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network to appear in a series of news

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specials in which she was asked to use

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her powers

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to solve murder mysteries during that

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time she claimed to come up with a lead

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to The Disappearance of a young Sydney

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couple Michelle Pope and Stephen laptop

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at the same time the Kincaid Karma took

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00:33:14,029 --> 00:33:12,360
a severe jolting from Skeptics who

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doubted her claims to have helped

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American police in 98 murder cases and

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00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:22,140
in searches for 175 lost children police

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spokesman in Los Angeles scene of 60

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00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:28,980
Kincaid quote cases and quote denied

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last week that she or any other psychic

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00:33:34,669 --> 00:33:33,659
had ever worked officially with the

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force

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it is not our policy a spokesman said

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meanwhile a furious Miss Kincaid said in

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Los Angeles that Bo Derek sexy star of

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00:33:51,950 --> 00:33:49,140
the movie 10 had warned her not to go to

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Australia she had also heard that Frank

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Sinatra was no friend of the place

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either quote the press end quote she

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shouted quote were the most obnoxious

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00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,919
people I have ever met I couldn't

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believe how vile they could be some

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00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:09,839
people in the street were nice but the

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rest

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end quote

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she maintained that her reputation as a

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psychic had been proved and her police

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00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:21,720
work documented in letters quote I am

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00:34:26,450 --> 00:34:23,879
talking with my lawyers and if anything

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00:34:30,050 --> 00:34:26,460
horrible about me is written I am going

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to sue and quote she declared one

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00:34:35,089 --> 00:34:31,800
spokesman for the Los Angeles Police

773
00:34:38,810 --> 00:34:35,099
Department said he had never heard of

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00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:38,820
the beautiful miss Kincaid someone once

775
00:34:45,470 --> 00:34:41,520
called up and asked if she wanted to be

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able to work on a case and I said maybe

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that's something she should tell us in

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00:34:52,909 --> 00:34:50,940
fact several psychics were once

779
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interviewed by our psychiatric

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department and they were all turned down

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one official did acknowledge that quote

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occasionally end quote individual

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detectives might have consulted her on

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their own initiative when the case was

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00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:13,440
at a dead end and you try a 100 to one

786
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:15,960
shot but we don't encourage psychics at

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all he added I feel she is using the

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reputation of our department to sell

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herself abroad but it would not be

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permitted here

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in fact Miss Kincaid did once appear on

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a TV documentary series made in 1976

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called the age of the psychics in which

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00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:36,240
he was consulted by a Los Angeles

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detective investigating a murder case

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Mr Como acknowledged that the interview

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had to be quote reenacted end quote for

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the cameras and the officer detective

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Ronald fesperman said she gave me two

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leads which proved to be nothing and I

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00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:57,660
have not contacted her again another

802
00:36:03,650 --> 00:36:00,720
television producer Marianne Hooper said

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she had interviewed 155 psychics for a

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00:36:08,329 --> 00:36:06,060
program on the Paranormal but had

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00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:08,339
rejected Miss Kincaid after meeting her

806
00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:11,520
on her visit to Australia she said quote

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00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:13,740
I was trying to take a break from it end

808
00:36:17,630 --> 00:36:14,700
quote

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but while in Australia she taped five

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three-minute interviews with Channel 10

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news reader Katrina Lee which were

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00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:26,040
broadcast on Eyewitness News last week

813
00:36:31,310 --> 00:36:28,680
oh I'll just stopped here to say I'd

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love to have those in the archive I

815
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don't think that would be easy to find

816
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though

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during that time she looked at several

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baffling Mysteries including the

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lapthorne pope Juanita Nielsen and

820
00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:43,740
Donald McKay cases all of these are

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famous crime cases here in Australia on

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Monday night the psychic said on air

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that Michelle Pope and Stephen lapthorpe

824
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had not been murdered but may have

825
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:58,680
driven over a cliff accidentally

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she could see their van covered in

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00:37:04,970 --> 00:37:03,000
bushes near water and thought their

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bodies would be found about the middle

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of next year

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but a police spokesman in Sydney said

831
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later no action would be taken on her

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claim

833
00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:15,300
and again that was a story published in

834
00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:18,180
1980 so I looked up one of those cases

835
00:37:24,890 --> 00:37:22,500
of the lapthorne Pope disappearance and

836
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:24,900
I've discovered a report here

837
00:37:32,329 --> 00:37:30,000
dated the 5th of August 2021 so just

838
00:37:34,010 --> 00:37:32,339
over a year ago new reward for

839
00:37:36,650 --> 00:37:34,020
information on Sydney couple who

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00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:36,660
vanished 40 years ago

841
00:37:41,630 --> 00:37:39,660
one Friday night in the late 1970s a

842
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young Sydney couple had dinner with

843
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:43,380
family not knowing it would be the last

844
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,359
time they would ever see them Stephen

845
00:37:49,790 --> 00:37:47,760
lapthorne 21 and his 18 year old

846
00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:49,800
girlfriend Michelle Pope shared a meal

847
00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:52,380
with Stephen's family at their house in

848
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West pymble

849
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and it goes on to say they had a plan to

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00:38:01,790 --> 00:38:00,000
the plan was for Stephen to drop

851
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:01,800
Michelle off at her parents place in

852
00:38:06,410 --> 00:38:03,839
berowra which is sort of north of Sydney

853
00:38:09,230 --> 00:38:06,420
about a 20 minute drive away before

854
00:38:10,609 --> 00:38:09,240
heading off on a snow trip with his

855
00:38:13,609 --> 00:38:10,619
mates

856
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:13,619
in 2005 an inquest found the pair died

857
00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:16,740
but how or when remains a mystery to

858
00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:19,560
this day so we can imagine there's never

859
00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:23,700
been any any uh evidence found

860
00:38:28,490 --> 00:38:26,460
so there we go I won't go on suffice it

861
00:38:30,349 --> 00:38:28,500
to say that the crime has never been

862
00:38:31,690 --> 00:38:30,359
solved despite

863
00:38:36,430 --> 00:38:31,700
cabrina

864
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:39,530
and so maybe the take-home message from

865
00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:43,200
this is It's just yet another example of

866
00:38:46,990 --> 00:38:45,240
someone who claims to help the police

867
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:47,000
and solve cases

868
00:38:52,670 --> 00:38:50,640
and a little bit of Investigation a

869
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:52,680
little bit of research discovers that

870
00:38:58,190 --> 00:38:55,920
this is simply not the case and after

871
00:39:00,250 --> 00:38:58,200
decade after decade after decade after

872
00:39:02,530 --> 00:39:00,260
decade I think we can

873
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:02,540
confidently say

874
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:07,200
and recommend that police worldwide do

875
00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:11,400
not waste time Consulting psychics they

876
00:39:17,950 --> 00:39:13,740
tie up resources they give family false

877
00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:17,960
hope and they simply don't solve crimes

878
00:39:23,329 --> 00:39:21,020
[Music]

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00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:23,339
but you can solve all sorts of other

880
00:39:28,430 --> 00:39:25,380
things by looking at the digital

881
00:39:31,609 --> 00:39:28,440
archives at Trove at trove.nla.gov dot a

882
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:31,619
U or other digital archives online no

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matter where you are around the world

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[Music]

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00:39:54,890 --> 00:39:53,210
hello this is Maynard did you know that

886
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:54,900
you can listen to the skeptic Zone on

887
00:40:02,290 --> 00:39:58,079
YouTube yes I know it sounds crazy but

888
00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:05,270
also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

889
00:40:09,230 --> 00:40:07,740
with Michelle bigasma and funny sketches

890
00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:09,240
with Richard Saunders and a host of

891
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,440
other Skeptics

892
00:40:14,329 --> 00:40:12,240
foreign

893
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:14,339
just click on the YouTube links on the

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[Music]

895
00:40:45,890 --> 00:40:43,740
hello everyone this is Adrian Hill from

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00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:45,900
Canada here to read the highlights from

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00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:48,540
the Australian Skeptics newsletter

898
00:40:54,109 --> 00:40:52,380
this is newsletter number 157. you can

899
00:40:56,089 --> 00:40:54,119
subscribe to this newsletter and get it

900
00:40:59,329 --> 00:40:56,099
delivered to your inbox every other week

901
00:41:04,970 --> 00:40:59,339
complete with links to all the stories

902
00:41:10,490 --> 00:41:07,849
but now let's see what Tim Mendham has

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00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:10,500
for us this week

904
00:41:14,569 --> 00:41:12,240
hi all says Tim

905
00:41:17,089 --> 00:41:14,579
with a change of CEO in the house of

906
00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:17,099
Windsor naturally we're being bombarded

907
00:41:22,609 --> 00:41:19,020
with predictions about how and whether

908
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,619
King Chuck will survive in the top job

909
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:25,200
and you might be surprised to know that

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00:41:30,589 --> 00:41:28,560
there are a lot of inconsistencies then

911
00:41:33,170 --> 00:41:30,599
again for some actual consistency

912
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,180
there's skepticon 2022 to look forward

913
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,280
to and keep an eye out for the social

914
00:41:39,950 --> 00:41:37,920
events to be announced soon Friday night

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00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:39,960
get together on December 2nd and the

916
00:41:42,829 --> 00:41:42,000
convention dinner on Saturday December

917
00:41:45,950 --> 00:41:42,839
3rd

918
00:41:48,109 --> 00:41:45,960
otherwise it's psychics Galore adding

919
00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:48,119
their spin to Royal circles animal

920
00:41:54,130 --> 00:41:51,780
circles disaster circles and booze

921
00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:54,140
circles it's enough to make you dizzy

922
00:42:00,730 --> 00:41:57,000
read on Tim

923
00:42:04,490 --> 00:42:00,740
okay Tim we'll do just that

924
00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:04,500
face to face at skepticon December 3rd

925
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:05,820
through 4th

926
00:42:11,810 --> 00:42:08,640
the 2022 annual Australian Skeptics

927
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,820
National Convention skepticon for 2022

928
00:42:16,910 --> 00:42:14,160
will be held at the National Library in

929
00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:16,920
Canberra on the weekend of December 3rd

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00:42:22,990 --> 00:42:19,740
through 4th and for the first time since

931
00:42:25,370 --> 00:42:23,000
2019 it will be a face-to-face event

932
00:42:28,370 --> 00:42:25,380
assuming the world doesn't fall back

933
00:42:31,730 --> 00:42:28,380
into pandemic mode or end in a Mayan

934
00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:31,740
apocalypse before then further details

935
00:42:34,740 --> 00:42:33,780
and ticket sales are available on the

936
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:34,750
skepticon website

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[Music]

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www.skepticon.org dot a u

939
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[Music]

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00:42:46,970 --> 00:42:45,060
then spoon Award nominations

941
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:46,980
you've still got time to put in a

942
00:42:51,230 --> 00:42:48,960
nomination for the Australian Skeptics

943
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,240
Ben spoon award one of the least sought

944
00:42:55,310 --> 00:42:53,520
after credits in the skeptical world or

945
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:55,320
any world for that matter

946
00:42:59,329 --> 00:42:57,359
your chance to propose the perpetrator

947
00:43:02,270 --> 00:42:59,339
of the most Preposterous piece of

948
00:43:05,890 --> 00:43:02,280
pseudoscientific or paranormal piffle of

949
00:43:08,569 --> 00:43:05,900
the year I love that

950
00:43:12,829 --> 00:43:08,579
luminaries who have been past winners

951
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:12,839
include paleo Pete Evans twice Larry

952
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:17,520
Marshall head of csiro former MP Craig

953
00:43:24,890 --> 00:43:21,839
Kelly rmit Judy wileyman and the

954
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:24,900
University of Wollongong Merrill Dory

955
00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:31,200
and the AVN AKA av-s-n and now the avrn

956
00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:34,500
the pharmacist of Australia and a

957
00:43:37,970 --> 00:43:36,119
psychic dentist

958
00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:37,980
if you would like to put someone forward

959
00:43:42,829 --> 00:43:40,380
for this non-prestigious award then go

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00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:42,839
to the bent spoon page for more info on

961
00:43:50,329 --> 00:43:45,599
how to enter details on current nominees

962
00:43:53,809 --> 00:43:52,609
King Charles history of promoting

963
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:53,819
quackery

964
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:56,700
this is a brief piece on Chuck's support

965
00:44:01,730 --> 00:44:00,000
of Homeopathy it includes comments by

966
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:01,740
Skeptics Michael Marshall of good

967
00:44:05,809 --> 00:44:04,570
thinking society and edsert Ernst

968
00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:05,819
[Music]

969
00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:11,220
was viral UFO a hoax generated by an AI

970
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:13,980
this is an interesting piece about how a

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00:44:19,069 --> 00:44:16,319
UFO sighting was claimed by someone who

972
00:44:21,470 --> 00:44:19,079
said they were using AI technology and

973
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:21,480
how both claims were debunked

974
00:44:26,270 --> 00:44:24,300
power and dangers of the internet and

975
00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:26,280
its residents

976
00:44:32,329 --> 00:44:29,940
Brisbane Skeptics get together

977
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:32,339
Brisbane Skeptics have reinstituted

978
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:34,079
their social get-togethers with the

979
00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:36,000
Skeptics in the restaurant meeting on

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00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:38,520
October 5th at the Tiger Eye bar in

981
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:42,240
Petrie Terrace starting at 6 30 pm this

982
00:44:46,490 --> 00:44:43,680
is the first meeting for the group since

983
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May it will be a casual event for drinks

984
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:48,839
and chat

985
00:44:53,329 --> 00:44:50,940
the September issue of the skeptic

986
00:44:55,370 --> 00:44:53,339
magazine is out with a major look at the

987
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:55,380
mysterious and often secretive world of

988
00:45:00,829 --> 00:44:58,680
organized exorcism in Australia and not

989
00:45:02,690 --> 00:45:00,839
just from the Catholic Church also

990
00:45:05,569 --> 00:45:02,700
included in the September issue are

991
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:05,579
articles on dowsing priests falling

992
00:45:12,170 --> 00:45:08,400
frogs and tips on how to stay afloat on

993
00:45:14,089 --> 00:45:12,180
a sea of misinformation plus a review of

994
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:14,099
the involvement of a psychic in the

995
00:45:18,109 --> 00:45:15,839
recent court case on The Disappearance

996
00:45:20,690 --> 00:45:18,119
of Lynn Dawson and the guilty decision

997
00:45:23,329 --> 00:45:20,700
in the trial of her ex-husband

998
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:23,339
if you haven't subscribed yet now is the

999
00:45:29,690 --> 00:45:26,400
time to do so you can sign up for a hard

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00:45:31,490 --> 00:45:29,700
copy or digital Edition or both the

1001
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digital is offered free to those who

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take up the hard copy version

1003
00:45:39,050 --> 00:45:36,900
items of Interest

1004
00:45:42,050 --> 00:45:39,060
Ravel tip

1005
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:42,060
course it's ghosts

1006
00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:47,280
the 27 most haunted hotels in America

1007
00:45:53,690 --> 00:45:51,240
yep the Stanley Shining hotel comes top

1008
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,700
of the list but these are not your

1009
00:45:58,670 --> 00:45:56,160
falling down around you pubs that you

1010
00:46:01,250 --> 00:45:58,680
find in ghost lists for the UK these are

1011
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:01,260
plush up Market places with no doubt

1012
00:46:05,809 --> 00:46:03,119
classier ghosts

1013
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,819
except there is the Chelsea Hotel in New

1014
00:46:09,770 --> 00:46:08,160
York noted for the number of rock stars

1015
00:46:12,490 --> 00:46:09,780
who have lived and died there over the

1016
00:46:15,530 --> 00:46:12,500
years including Sid vicious's girlfriend

1017
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:15,540
Nancy spungen who died in mysterious

1018
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:19,200
circumstances did Sid do it

1019
00:46:25,790 --> 00:46:22,020
psychics and disaster

1020
00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:25,800
prediction of major disaster for West of

1021
00:46:29,450 --> 00:46:27,180
Ireland

1022
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:29,460
a psychic has claimed the west of

1023
00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:32,760
Ireland will be hit by a major world

1024
00:46:38,510 --> 00:46:36,420
event in just weeks Aaron Lazar said a

1025
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,520
big event involving the Atlantic Ocean

1026
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,280
will happen in November he has warned

1027
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:43,440
people to quote keep an eye on the water

1028
00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:47,760
end quote and have a quote go bag end

1029
00:46:51,710 --> 00:46:50,220
quote and some cash ready in case they

1030
00:46:55,069 --> 00:46:51,720
need to evacuate

1031
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,079
Aaron should know he's an akashic realm

1032
00:47:01,260 --> 00:46:57,839
expert psychic Channel and Ascension

1033
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:01,270
mentor and weatherman apparently

1034
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:03,119
[Music]

1035
00:47:09,050 --> 00:47:05,599
psychics and booze

1036
00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:09,060
psychic spiritually connects with

1037
00:47:15,650 --> 00:47:12,780
alcohol to stop hangovers now they tell

1038
00:47:18,770 --> 00:47:15,660
us Nicole Marilyn claims the secret to

1039
00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:18,780
waking up with no hangover is to ground

1040
00:47:24,170 --> 00:47:21,000
yourself and your alcohol before

1041
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,180
consuming it grounding also called

1042
00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:26,880
earthing is a technique that connects

1043
00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:28,740
you back to Earth through electrical

1044
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:32,940
charges of course she explained quote

1045
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,460
just like how we ground ourselves it's

1046
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,680
also possible to ground other things and

1047
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:39,839
give them a space to release I ground

1048
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:42,480
everything my phone my computer my home

1049
00:47:48,410 --> 00:47:46,319
my animals my food my drinks Etc there

1050
00:47:51,770 --> 00:47:48,420
can be a lot of low vibrational energy

1051
00:47:54,530 --> 00:47:51,780
and entities surrounding alcohol and the

1052
00:47:59,089 --> 00:47:54,540
places and people where alcohol is

1053
00:48:04,550 --> 00:48:01,370
psychics and Royals

1054
00:48:06,290 --> 00:48:04,560
King Charles future foretold

1055
00:48:08,329 --> 00:48:06,300
we're going to get a lot of Royal

1056
00:48:10,849 --> 00:48:08,339
readings over the next few months but it

1057
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,859
looks as if King Chuck is in for a mixed

1058
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,480
future

1059
00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:15,119
one psychic predicts that quote around

1060
00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:17,940
his 80th birthday King Charles is going

1061
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,740
to start sharing duties with his son

1062
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:22,079
Prince William to ensure there is a

1063
00:48:27,230 --> 00:48:23,940
smooth transition of power when the time

1064
00:48:29,930 --> 00:48:27,240
eventually comes for Charles end quote

1065
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:29,940
on the other hand another psychic the

1066
00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:33,359
long dead Balkan Baba vanga predicts or

1067
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,880
predicted it's not clear King Charles

1068
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,920
III could surpass his mother's

1069
00:48:43,309 --> 00:48:40,079
record-breaking 70-year Reign if he

1070
00:48:45,170 --> 00:48:43,319
lives up to 97 which shows that Baba

1071
00:48:46,490 --> 00:48:45,180
might have a few problems with

1072
00:48:49,849 --> 00:48:46,500
arithmetic

1073
00:48:52,609 --> 00:48:49,859
and still Mystic veg the asparagus

1074
00:48:55,010 --> 00:48:52,619
tosser reckons Charles will abdicate the

1075
00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:55,020
throne next year and hand over much of

1076
00:48:58,609 --> 00:48:56,700
his duties to Prince William as Regent

1077
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:58,619
which shows that the veg doesn't

1078
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,440
understand how abdication Works in

1079
00:49:05,690 --> 00:49:03,599
addition the asparagus says Princess

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Anne will become Duchess of Edinburgh

1081
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:07,800
and Boris Johnson will make an

1082
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,800
unexpected return and service PM for a

1083
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:12,240
second time

1084
00:49:18,050 --> 00:49:15,599
wait there's more Yuri Geller sends his

1085
00:49:20,510 --> 00:49:18,060
best wishes and energy and says Charles

1086
00:49:23,329 --> 00:49:20,520
will be the quote Best King in the

1087
00:49:25,849 --> 00:49:23,339
universe end quote considering Yuri's

1088
00:49:28,670 --> 00:49:25,859
weird prognostications of late that's

1089
00:49:31,210 --> 00:49:28,680
probably not exactly comforting for the

1090
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Royals

1091
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:34,800
silliest story of the week

1092
00:49:40,250 --> 00:49:38,160
psychic spots strange detail in Queen's

1093
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:40,260
final picture

1094
00:49:46,190 --> 00:49:43,140
psychic Deborah Davies was very worried

1095
00:49:48,650 --> 00:49:46,200
when she spotted an angel in the Flames

1096
00:49:50,569 --> 00:49:48,660
of a fireplace behind the ex-queen in a

1097
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:50,579
photograph taken just after the visit by

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00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,640
new UK PM Liz Truss

1099
00:49:57,650 --> 00:49:55,200
the fact is one of several still

1100
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photographs of a moving object the

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Flames seems to be immaterial just like

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the angel

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[Music]

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well that's all for now but before I go

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I would love it if you would head over

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to Wikipedia to check out my latest gsow

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page rewrite I did a deep dive into the

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Winchester Mystery House which was

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00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:18,060
inspired by Brian dunning's skeptoid

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podcast number 824 back in March and

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through my research I was angered to

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discover how misrepresented Sally

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Winchester was while she was alive and

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how the legends of ghosts and even

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Madness persisted and expanded over time

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I couldn't have done it without the work

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of Mary Jo ignafo whose book captive of

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the labyrinth has recently been revised

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and updated if you want to learn more

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then what is on the Wikipedia page check

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it out

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[Music]

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spooky action at a distance

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and joining me now from Newcastle is the

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skeptic zones International Goose

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Maynard hello Maynard

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that's right we're here at midnight

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International Studios and I've just

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bought a wonderful new

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1955 album called boom bang and no bang

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Barum and harp by dick shuri and his

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percussion Ensemble it's basically a

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00:51:31,609 --> 00:51:29,880
whole lot of harp music with drums

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00:51:33,290 --> 00:51:31,619
banging loudly in the background but

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00:51:35,569 --> 00:51:33,300
people in the 50s they knew how to have

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a good time Richard they did they did

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but you're telling me you're spending

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your day trying to teach a magpie how to

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eat mealworms or something that's right

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now I'm sure we've got many uh Native

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bird Elizabeth because I I do I want to

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be trying to feed them the right thing

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so I got myself a dried mealworms

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freeze-dried mealworms and I've been um

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putting them in water soaking them for

1146
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quite a while and then offering them to

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the magpies who completely ignore them

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they walk around them on the grass they

1149
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just don't see them as food

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um and I don't know why that is because

1151
00:52:10,190 --> 00:52:07,859
I would have thought that wounds are

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what they naturally eat out of the soil

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they're in their insectivores after all

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and they just aren't paying any

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attention to it so I don't know do I

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need to put some fire in that I don't

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put some flavor in on it I'm not quite

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sure do I have to put it with some corn

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to make them interested in it I don't

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know I can't help you may not I don't

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often go out and feed my photos just a

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moment ago I I came inside to talk to

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you looked out and there was a bloody

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Magpie with its beak inside my coffee

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cup having a look and and I don't think

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magpies have coffee I mean that's the

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last thing they need have you seen how

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active they are already oh that's the

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Melbourne magpies they're into coffee

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mag pies that's right that'll be the uh

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what what's that what's that happening

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suburb North something oh Nerf good oh

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yes North Dakota

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uh magpies perhaps no I'm giving you a

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call Maynard because I was uh out and

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about the other day getting some

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exercise in I thought I know I'll listen

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to the latest episode of Planet Maynard

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uh Maynard's podcast and it was a and

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nothing to do with skepticism folks so

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you know this is this isn't a skeptical

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angle but for Australian listeners I can

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recommend the latest episode of your

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podcast at menard.com because it's all

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about music in the 90s

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that's right I interviewed Jane gazzo

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who was a presenter on Triple J and was

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also one of the hosts of an ABC

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Nationwide show known as recovery which

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is on a Saturday morning so many people

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probably watched that bleary-eyed and

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she's had a Facebook group going for a

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while on Facebook called Sounders ever

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it's all about independent music in

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Australia during the 90s and the book

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sound I've ever is is great it's got

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It's got as much as you could hope to

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get in there and I interviewed her about

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why music in the 90s particularly in

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Australia was different and she spoke of

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a feeling of optimism that was going on

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in the 90s with music and I've just been

1203
00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:01,440
reading the face magazine an old episode

1204
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of the face magazine from episode so you

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can tell I'm a radio person a copy a

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reading a copy of the face magazine from

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November 1981 and they're talking about

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all these signings of groups and all

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these new romantic groups like ABC

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00:54:19,549 --> 00:54:17,760
Haircut 100 blue Rondo ala Turk and how

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00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:19,559
exciting it is there and it was almost a

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bit of an equivalent with your

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independent bands in the 90s days she

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said regular companies in the early 90s

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in Australia had money to throw around

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and they did this is where the skeptical

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bit comes in oh I asked her

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did they spend their money wisely and

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she gave a nice even answer where she

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said it could be argued that perhaps

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sometimes they didn't and I think that

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that's that's a very balanced statement

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don't you think oh that that sounds very

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skeptical and balanced to me but it was

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no honestly I mean I remember the time

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and and folks internationally no matter

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where you're listening have a listen

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because she talks about a lot of bands

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that were known worldwide

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that's right I mean in the 90s

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Australian bands like Umi The Living End

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uh Spider bait they did have a success

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overseas I mean a lot of people think of

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the 80s bands like in excess it's been

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Australian bands like that that had big

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success overseas but in the 90s there

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were many bands and

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um in fact one of our local bands that

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were big here called rat cat right three

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00:55:20,329 --> 00:55:18,960
piece yeah they went over to England

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they wanted to try their luck in England

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and they didn't do too well there and

1243
00:55:26,569 --> 00:55:24,839
that basically ended their career if

1244
00:55:28,790 --> 00:55:26,579
that kind of stayed in Australia they

1245
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,800
could have had a longer career here but

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00:55:31,790 --> 00:55:30,240
it was thought I'd go over there there's

1247
00:55:34,010 --> 00:55:31,800
a bit of a bit pop thing warming up

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00:55:35,450 --> 00:55:34,020
there go over there and unfortunately it

1249
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:35,460
didn't work out there for them and that

1250
00:55:39,410 --> 00:55:37,200
was the money of their own they have

1251
00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:39,420
spent so uh that kind of ended the

1252
00:55:42,890 --> 00:55:40,980
career rat cat unfortunately for the

1253
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Australian listeners who know frat cat

1254
00:55:47,410 --> 00:55:44,640
remember the big thing at the moment is

1255
00:55:50,329 --> 00:55:47,420
is ABBA that ABBA Voyage

1256
00:55:51,710 --> 00:55:50,339
holographic film issue thing I know

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people from Australia that flew over

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00:55:57,170 --> 00:55:54,000
there for the opening week of that wow

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00:55:59,390 --> 00:55:57,180
in in London and look I'm a bit of an

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ABBA fan I don't think I would go that

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00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:01,440
far for them um you know I mean you you

1262
00:56:04,609 --> 00:56:03,119
know the stuff I like Richard no one's

1263
00:56:05,390 --> 00:56:04,619
ever heard of it people like to marry

1264
00:56:08,329 --> 00:56:05,400
Wilson

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oh that was great again folks it may not

1266
00:56:14,589 --> 00:56:10,079
interviewed Mary Wilson a couple about a

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00:56:22,010 --> 00:56:17,450
what what Mary Wilson the one in The

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um

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00:56:29,210 --> 00:56:26,099
1981-84 in England and she just had this

1270
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:29,220
wonderful Camp retro 50s and 60s thing

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with a huge live band I'm gonna do a

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00:56:35,329 --> 00:56:33,480
video live stream on her because they've

1273
00:56:37,790 --> 00:56:35,339
got a box set of her coming out in the

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00:56:39,530 --> 00:56:37,800
UK and it's just one of these people who

1275
00:56:41,210 --> 00:56:39,540
don't take themselves too seriously you

1276
00:56:43,549 --> 00:56:41,220
know are you I'm attracted to artists

1277
00:56:45,970 --> 00:56:43,559
like that this is what you can expect to

1278
00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:45,980
find folks to listen to when you go to

1279
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,900
maynard.com.edu not just skepticism may

1280
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,119
not just does so much more than coming

1281
00:56:55,309 --> 00:56:53,040
on the skeptic Zone with interviews and

1282
00:56:56,690 --> 00:56:55,319
skeptical bits and pieces check out his

1283
00:56:58,970 --> 00:56:56,700
other podcasts with interviews from

1284
00:57:01,309 --> 00:56:58,980
great stars and uh all sorts of things

1285
00:57:06,170 --> 00:57:01,319
all right Maynard thanks for dropping by

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00:57:06,180 --> 00:57:29,150
oh

1287
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,770
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1288
00:57:36,049 --> 00:57:32,400
Zone podcast coming up on next week's

1289
00:57:39,410 --> 00:57:36,059
Show Adrian Hill Adrian Hill is back

1290
00:57:42,530 --> 00:57:39,420
with a trove and next week she's looking

1291
00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:42,540
at ghosts in Canada

1292
00:57:46,750 --> 00:57:44,460
now we can imagine what would happen if

1293
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you visited a haunted house in Canada

1294
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:49,380
and you were

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00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:52,319
spooked by a ghost and got a shock the

1296
00:57:56,089 --> 00:57:54,540
next thing you would hear would be oh

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I'm sorry

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1299
00:58:03,349 --> 00:57:59,880
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1300
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1302
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for this week this is Richard saunderson

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an order in for the end of the show

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Richard I I are going to do that rolling

1333
00:59:42,109 --> 00:59:39,599
that dice fanacle thing you do I might

1334
00:59:44,270 --> 00:59:42,119
just do that okay well uh how many times

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00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:44,280
you're rolling it this week three

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00:59:49,789 --> 00:59:47,040
three times okay well I'll put in a five

1337
00:59:51,230 --> 00:59:49,799
a seven and a a no no no I was gonna put

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00:59:52,849 --> 00:59:51,240
an eight now I'll put a four in it five

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00:59:55,970 --> 00:59:52,859
hang on I can't put a seven in here how

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00:59:58,490 --> 00:59:55,980
many sides you get doing this oh ten ten

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01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:58,500
oh I can okay I'll put a five a seven

1342
01:00:03,470 --> 01:00:01,440
and a four a five a seven and a four and

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01:00:06,049 --> 01:00:03,480
by Magic

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01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:06,059
we're now being transported to the end

1345
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:08,640
of the show and with Maynard and I'm

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01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:14,870
and he you're predicted of five so the

1347
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:17,040
entire payment of my Robo debt on this

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01:00:23,690 --> 01:00:20,160
all 55 cents all right a five or seven

1349
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:24,950
five

1350
01:00:30,130 --> 01:00:28,319
good heaven wow all right well done how

1351
01:00:32,270 --> 01:00:30,140
about that you know um

1352
01:00:34,609 --> 01:00:32,280
look a lot of Skeptics really haven't

1353
01:00:36,770 --> 01:00:34,619
read the the science delusion by some

1354
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,780
guy who claims that you can tap into The

1355
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:38,880
Ether and I've tapped into The Ether and

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01:00:42,349 --> 01:00:40,079
that's how I was able to get that five

1357
01:00:43,970 --> 01:00:42,359
people by tapping into The Ether all

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01:00:45,230 --> 01:00:43,980
right I'll choose another 10-sided one

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01:00:47,690 --> 01:00:45,240
here I've got a whole box of them here

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01:00:50,089 --> 01:00:47,700
we come roll number two

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01:00:54,010 --> 01:00:50,099
oh it's a three

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01:00:56,569 --> 01:00:54,020
oh I don't need to read that book again

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01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:56,579
[Music]

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last one coming up

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[Music]

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it's a four

1367
01:01:05,569 --> 01:01:03,299
you've got

1368
01:01:07,490 --> 01:01:05,579
so okay so what's the chance of me

1369
01:01:09,770 --> 01:01:07,500
getting two out of three on a ten sided

1370
01:01:11,329 --> 01:01:09,780
dice listeners listeners have a think

1371
01:01:13,250 --> 01:01:11,339
about that and then writing your answers

1372
01:01:15,170 --> 01:01:13,260
I I could work out the calculations but

1373
01:01:18,609 --> 01:01:15,180
not instantly but that's not bad you got

1374
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:18,619
two out of three may not bad

1375
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:21,119
that's a meatloaf song is it two out of

1376
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:24,480
three ain't bad here you go and oh and

1377
01:01:27,650 --> 01:01:26,160
did the magic number came up for the uh

1378
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:27,660
is it the medical Theory who likes the

1379
01:01:33,530 --> 01:01:30,000
four or Susan Gerber who likes it for uh

1380
01:01:35,150 --> 01:01:33,540
it's Susan who likes five so she got the

1381
01:01:37,609 --> 01:01:35,160
first one right too

1382
01:01:39,289 --> 01:01:37,619
oh well there we go well I'll just take